How to ask China about human rights: Dos and don'ts for Trudeau

There's one question Prime Minister Justin Trudeau can be certain reporters will ask him on his first official trip to China this week.

"Did you bring up human rights?"

And it won't stop there.

"Did you bring up human rights forcefully enough? Frequently enough? Are you putting trade before human rights?"

Journalists have asked variations of these questions for decades, grasping for some way to ensure politicians aren't abandoning principle as they try to build ties to countries, such as China, with a record of high-profile human rights abuses.

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Reporters might be asking about aCanadian who has been detained or referring to broader questions about how the country treats its citizens.

Either way,reporters often findthe answer to "the human rights question"wildly unsatisfying.The answer isinevitably some variation of "Yes, of course," without much sense ofthe intensity or efficacy of the discussion.

So, what really happens behind closed doors?

Avoiding ultimatums

Trudeau leaves Monday for a week-long tour, where he'll try to expand Canada's economic relationship with China. His stops will include Beijing and Shanghai.

Rule No. 1for Canadian officials, according to former Canadian ambassador to China David Mulroney, is to avoid being told "No" right off the bat.

"People think we should just have our minister or the prime minister pound on the desk and make it clear. That's very satisfying for about two minutes and then you realize the door is shut and there's no further possibility."

"What you're trying to do is nudge, push, edge the issue towards a positive conclusion."

Most progress happens over the mediumto long term, said Mulroney, who is now president of St. Michael's College at the University of Toronto. When you're dealing withindividual cases, like trying to secure the release of someone who has been imprisoned, Mulroneysuggestsit can requiresome creativity.

He points to one case he worked on,where a Canadian woman's Chinese husband was imprisoned and likely being beatenup. Mulroneywanted to help but felt that because the man wasn't a Canadian citizen, if officials brought up the case directly, China would tell them to butt out.

Instead, Mulroneysaid he opted for a "softer and more friendly" approach.

Canada's health minister at the time, Leona Aglukkaq, was visiting China. He suggested she raise the case with her Chinese counterpart by framing it as a question of whether the man needed medical attention. Mulroney also advised her to wait until the two were talking privately,on their way to lunch.

"I said 'Just say, "Look, I don't want to deflect us from ourconversation about health issues, but I didwant to raise this case and ask if you would be so kind as to investigate it as a physician."' And we actually did find out that the person did ask about the case."

He said eventually the man was released. Mulroney believes that conversation helped make it happen.

Can outsiders make a difference?

When it comes to big-picturehuman rights issues such as therule of law, the former head of the Canadian Consular Servicequestions how much impact a country like Canada can have.

"Change does not come because of outside pressure," said Gar Pardy, who was also ambassador to several countries."We do this kind of thing to make ourselves, I think,feel good when we say these things to another government."

That said, Pardybelieves Canada's prime minister still faces internal pressure to raise human rights concerns.

"Canadians expect Mr. Trudeau to say something in this area and try to be effective about it."

He also believes that change is more likely to happen away from higher profile meetings like prime ministerial visits.

Canada used to hold regular meetings with Chinese officials, he said, where specific issues could be discussed. He argues that's a better way to have more detailed discussions.

"The possibility of re-establishing that kind of annual dialogue with the Chinese, I think, would be much more effective rather than an occasional visit with the minister or prime minister, which in effect[is] 'Did you raise human rights?' 'Yes, I raised human rights.'"