People forced to stand in cold and rain outside Abbotsford welfare office waiting room

On a rainy, chilly spring day in Abbotsford, B.C., a lineup of soaked people are steaming mad.

They want to know why the local welfare office the Abbotsford branch of the B.C. Ministry of Social Development and Poverty Reduction is making their poverty feel worse.

They say they're regularly denied access to the centre's near-empty waiting roomandtold they have to standoutside instead.

In January and February, many waited more than two hours in the snow. Now, they're facing the same kind of delays in heavy downpours on a 9 C day, with no shelter and no seating.

"I'm cold. It's freezing right now," says George Sather. "They just let you in a couple at a time and everybody else waits outside in the elements."

Most in the lineup are here to deal with issues involving their provincial welfare eligibilityor disability assistance, or are filingrequests for a crisis grant an extra $40 a month when they find themselves running out of cash.

"Alice", 63, won't give her real name, because she feels standing outside the office is embarrassing.

She's holding her 19-month-old grandson, Mantis, who's just as wet as she is.

"It was really, really hard for him because I've had to tell people I don't want to lose my place in line, and then he gets restless."

She says she's waited as long as 2 hours to get inside the office.

"That needs to change," she says.

'Disappointing, appalling and shamelessly classist'

As someone exits through the centre's mirrored doors, about a dozen chairs can be seen inside the waiting room nearly all of them empty.

Staff are sealed behind walls of glass and reinforced doors.

A sign reads: "This office is committed to a workplace where everyone is safe and is treated with courtesy, dignity and respect."

A local pastor says that same courtesy, dignity and respect doesn't seem to extend to the office's clients.

Jesse Wegenast of The 5 and 2 Ministriessays he was "flabbergasted" when he recently spotted the line-ups.

"It is unbelievably disappointing, appalling and it is shamelessly classist in my opinion," he said.

Wegenast says it's not unusual to come by on a weekday afternoon and see up to 15 people standing outside, waiting to access services.

"Were it happening at a drivers' licensing office or at Services Canada, it would not last because the people who access those services feel like they ought to be treated a certain way," says Wegenast.

But he says people who come to the Abbotsford welfare office fear if they complain, they might not be able to access financial services that pay for their rent, prescriptions and groceries.

When CBC News attempted to talk to the centre supervisor, we were asked to leave.

Wegenastsays he spoke to the supervisor, who told him there were two reasons for the restrictions on waiting room access:The office's occupational health and safety committee wanted to reducesecurity concerns;and staff wanted more people to access online services.

Wegenast says that's ludicrous.

"These are disadvantaged people who are vulnerable, who are being told 'too bad, so sad'. You have to wait outside because we don't trust you because of safety concerns and you should be doing stuff online."

He says he knows one woman who has a brain injury and can't use the internet.

Alice, too, says going online isn't an option for her.

"I don't put anything private online," she says. "I like to do everything in person."

Another clientin the lineup, Tim Felger, 62, agrees.

"Most of the people [here]don't have computers, or phones. So that doesn't really work," he says.

'There will be a conversation': minister

Contacted by CBC News,Shane Simpson, B.C.'s minister of social development and poverty reduction says the policyat theAbbotsford office is "unfortunate."

"It's not a practice that I think is helpful. It's not a practice that I'm supportive of," Simpson says.

"I assure you there will be a conversation about how operating procedures work."

Wegenast says that's good news.

"I'm very happy to hear that people are now going to be allowed the dignity of not standing outside in the wind and the cold as they wait to access services," he says.

"And frankly I'm happy at how quickly it happened."