'I worry about this': Trudeau's move to dissolve Indigenous Affairs Department prompts concern

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is proposing fundamental reforms to Indigenous affairs, upending a system of governance that has been in place for the better part of this country's 150-year history.

The federal Liberal government will split Indigenous and Northern AffairsCanada (INAC) into two separate ministries, some 20 years after the Royal Commission on Aboriginal Peoples recommended such a division.

Trudeau promised new legislation in the near term to formally begin the process of splitting a ministry that has more than 4,500 employees scatteredacross the country and a budget in excess of $9 billion.

"There's a sense that we've pushed the creaky old structures at INAC as far as they can go," Trudeau said Monday in announcingchanges to the department.

Despite the prime minister's lofty goals, some experts warn fundamental reforms of this sort could actually lead to more headaches.

"In terms of practical outcomes, I think it might actually have a negative effect," Christopher Alcantara, an expert on Indigenous-settler relations at Western University,said in an interview with CBC News.

"It's going to complicate decision-making because now you have two ministers competing for resources around the cabinet table. Instead of an integrated process you're going to have silos, little empires that guard their resources. I worry about this, I worry about the lack of co-ordination," he said.

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Jane Philpott will lead Indigenous Services, a department that will oversee programs forstatus Indians, including welfare, education, child and family services, housing, long-term water advisories and, eventually, the provision of health care.

Philpottwill oversee a department that has long been beset with governance issuesand complaints from Indigenous Peoples that it is paternalistic and colonialist in nature.

"We're undoing generations of dysfunctional and discriminatory structures," the outgoing health minister said Monday. "We don't want to pretend that this is going to be done overnight."

Trudeau shuffles cabinet, splits INAC in two

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Jane Philpott and Carolyn Bennett join Piya Chattopadhyay to discuss their two new files

Carolyn Bennett, who will take the reins at Crown-Indigenous Relations and Northern Affairs, is tasked with settling outstanding comprehensive land claims (there are nearly 100 such deals in the pipe with various degrees of completeness), clearing a backlog of grievances at the Specific Claims Tribunal and generally fostering a new era of self-governance. She recently negotiated a landmark deal on education with the Anishinabek Nation in Ontario, a devolution the government hopes to replicate in other jurisdictions.

Bennett will leadthe government's continued push to dismantle the Indian Act,helping more communities opt out of provisions that date back to the 19th century.

"My job is to make sure there's a whole of government approach," Bennett said. "The ultimate goal is self-determination."

'We want to see less of the paternalism'

Hayden King, a professor of Indigenous governance at RyersonUniversity, said the last thing Indigenous peoples want is "another layer of bureaucracy and twice as much obfuscation. We want to see less of the paternalism that already exists, not see it multiply."

Bureaucrats have been accused of draggingtheir heels on the child and family services file despite three non-compliance orders from the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal. Activists say the government has beenshortchanging Indigenous children through discriminatory spending practices. The opposition NDP has alsolambastedHealth Canada for theslow rollout of new funds to close health-care spending gaps. Indeed, senior bureaucrats at Health Canadatold CBC News in February they've had trouble finding Indigenous childrenin need of care because the system is so broken.

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"If this restructuring is going to be successful the culture in the bureaucracy needs to be addressed," King said. "The department is incredibly stubborn and resistantto change."

To that end, Trudeau said bureaucratsand the Indigenous peoples they serve"deserve an updated structure that is much more in keeping with the true spirit of reconciliation." But Alcantara said giving the department less heft could have the opposite effect.

"If you really want to have a nation-to-nation relationship if you want to have a reconciled relationship then dividing a little department into two even littler departments is not the answer. The answer is to transform this department into a premier department within the federal government, one that has equal clout to finance and justice. They should have made itinto a super ministry."

'Next step' on the road to reconciliation?

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Hayden King, Professor of Indigenous Governance at Ryerson University, weighs in on the splitting of Indigenous Affairs into two departments

Some Indigenous leaders including those who have been critical of this governmentpraised amove they said coulddirect moreattention at some longstanding issues that often get shuffled to the back burner.

"We've got a backlog of land claims, we've got treaty rights ... we need to chart a path that looks at more self determination, self government and I think that's the value in setting up another part of the ministry that will deal with Crown relations," Isadore Day, who leads the Chiefs of Ontario,said in an interview.

"Today signals that this is the beginning of dismantling the Indian Act and I hope that's where this continues to go," he said.

Assembly of First Nations National Chief Perry Bellegarde also said doing away with Indigenous and Northern Affairs Canada is a truly significant step "toward restoring and revitalizing the nation-to-nation relationship between First Nations and the Crown."