How Sessions, evading Senate questions, used presidential privilege without actually invoking it

His right hand raised before the Senate intelligence committee, U.S. Attorney General Jeff Sessions stood to face a flurryof camera clicks and swore to tell the truth, the whole truthand nothing but.

Then the apple-cheeked Alabamanian sat down and proceeded to deflect a barrage of questions about President Donald Trump, about alleged campaign collusion with the Russians and aboutthe firing of former FBI director James Comey during almost two-and-a-half hours of testimony on Tuesday.

"I am not stonewalling," a defiant Sessions shot back at Senator Ron Wyden, who accused the attorney general of evading questions.

'You're having it both ways'

Nor was Sessions leaning on the presidential right to keep information a secret from the panel investigating alleged ties between the Trump campaign and Russian officials.

"I'm not claiming executive privilege, because that's the president's power, and I have no power to claim executive privilege," he told ranking member Mark Warner.

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Invoking the privilege is typically reserved for sensitive issues or high-level national security matters. It's used sparingly but in well-defined scenarios. Sessions appeared to be using it to justify his evasiveness, even though the privilege isn't up to him to invoke.

Sessions testified that Trump never asserted the privilege instructing him not to be as forthcoming as possible, but that his priority was "protecting the president's constitutional right" to withhold certain information if Trump needed to down the road.

In other words, as Senator Martin Heinrich put it while questioning Sessions's legal basis for dodging questions: "You're having it both ways."

'Unusual legal argument'

"It's a very unusual legal argument," saidHarry Litman, a former deputy assistant in the Department of Justice who specializes in national security. "You use privilege in order to withhold information. That's the motivation."

It could also indicate Sessions and other Trump cabinet members called before the Senate committee are lacking clear guidance from a White House reportedly in disarray.

"Whether Sessions just believes in the principles [of executive privilege] or he's concerned about not offending a president with whom it's been reported he's been having some difficulty recently, it's hard to know what his motives are," saidNorman Abrams, a former acting chancellor at UCLA's Law School who lectures on anti-terrorism law.

Sessions: There are none, Senator Wyden. There are none.

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Jeff Sessions has a heated exchange with Senator Ron Wyden over "problematic" matters brought up in James Comey's testimony.

The Sessions hearing was ostensibly Sessions's chance to rebut the former FBI director's testimony last week, said Abrams, who also previously worked in the criminal division of the Justice Department. Comey told the same Senate panel that the bureau felt any possible oversight of the Trump-Russia probe by the attorney general would be "problematic" in light of information they learned.

'Secret innuendo'

Sessions refused to say what those concerns might be, dismissing Comey's comments as "secret innuendo" that he colluded with the Russian government.

Comey testified in a private session about classified matters he couldn't discuss in public. Sessions made no such similar commitment.

"They're essentially talking about the same subject, but Comey was candid, forthright, and answered all the questions,"saidDavid Cole, a national security legal expert and legal director of the American Civil Liberties Union.

Comey also volunteered to answer questions about classified matters in aclosed session.

By contrast, Cole said,Sessions "wasn't saying I'll tell you [these]answers in a closed session. He was saying I won't tell you those answers. Period."

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The attorney general contradicts ex-FBI director in his testimony to the Senate intelligence committee.

Couldn't recall meetings with Russians

The Department of Justice framed Sessions's appearance on Tuesday as a voluntary show of transparency, saying the attorney general requested public testimony "for the American people to hear the truth."

But the truth was the American people didn't learn many answers at all, Cole said.

Sessions testified multiple times he couldn't recall meetings with Russian officials and declined to discuss private conversations involving Trump.

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It was simply Sessions's own judgment that it would be "inappropriate" to air details about any private conversation with the president during a public hearing.

Gotcha moment

Except, of course, when he felt like it say, for example, when an increasingly agitated Senator Angus King drilled Sessions about who requested that the attorney general and his deputy draft memos justifying the formal dismissal of Comey as FBI chief.

"Who asked for your opinion?" King pressed him.

"The president asked for our opinion," Sessions answered.

"All right! So you just testified as to the content of a communication to the president," King said.

The gotcha moment laid bare the shaky rationale Sessions used to dodge certain queries, saidRyan Goodman, an expert on national security who served as a special counsel to the general counsel of the Department of Defence during the Obama administration.

"King was saying, 'Aha! You just talked about a discussion with the president, so you're doing this selectively.' So that's the kind of dance Sessions is doing."

Despite testy exchanges with Senator Kamala Harris and others, including a warning by Heinrich that Sessions was "impeding" the congressional probe by refusing to answer basic questions, Goodman saidthe attorney generalwas at no actual risk of being held in contempt of Congress by obstructing the delegation.

Put up or shut up

Unless Congress actually decides to subpoena Sessions for the information he was unwilling to provide, the "stonewalling can be used an excuse" for lawmakers not to do their job, saidAndy Wright, who served in the White House as an associate counsel to president Obama.

Wright would like to at least see Trump being forced to formally assert executive privilege.

"It's not about arguing in the abstract about whether this was a valid assertion of privilege," Wright says. "They need to make sure the president puts up or shuts up."

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