Child care experts say they're looking for sustained funding in federal budget

The Liberal government has been dropping heavy hints that Monday's budgetsets aside money to establish anaccessible national child care programbut child careadvocates say that funding has to be around for the long haul.

"You need money to be there, and to be there in a sustainable way," saidCatherine Haeck, a professor at the University of Quebec in Montreal who has researched the Quebec childcare model.

Quebec's subsidized system, which provides daycare spots to parents at less than $10 a day, is often cited by federal officials as a model that could be used tocreate a national program.

"If we take the Quebec experiment, if you want to call it that, it did take a long time to implement the whole system," Haeck said in an interview airing today on CBC's political affairs program The House.

"So it does take a long-term commitment. It's not something that will happen overnight."

Haeck saidthat fundingearmarked for child carein the upcoming budget will need to ramp up in the coming years to establish a national system.

Finance Minister Chrystia Freeland has said in recent weeks that the pandemic has given the government an openingtoaddress shortages ofchildcare servicesbecause of the strain the emergencyhas put on parents and women in particular.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeauhas echoed that message, calling child care "fundamentally an economic program" that "we need to do as a country."

It's notclear how much funding there is in the budget for child care Freeland's first budget as finance ministerand the government's first in two years but a recent report from the House of Commons finance committee saidthe minimum starting point for a national program should be $2 billion.

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Ahead of its first federal budget in two years, the Liberal government is strongly hinting it will make a major investment in child care. Monica Lysack, a professor of early childhood education, and Catherine Haeck, a professor at the University of Quebec in Montreal, discuss.

Go big, say child care advocates

Experts said the initial funding amount shouldgrow gradually in subsequent years.

"We have to be able to invest in building the workforce, creating the spaces, investing in capital and infrastructure," Sheridan College early childhood education professor Monica Lysack told CBC's The House.

Lysack has advised previous Liberal governments on this issue of a national child care system and was a Liberal candidate in two previous elections.

She said the problem with child care in Canada is twofold: women are struggling to pay high fees for their children's care, while thosewho work in child careare paid far too little for their services.

Child care is a provincial responsibility, and childcare advocates say they expectthe budget to include measures to push theprovinces to set up their own programs.

But many warn a national system needs to be flexible enough to meet theneeds of parentsin different parts of the country and to bring the provinces on-side.

"Provinces have been burned before on childcare, so they will be looking for a large commitment as well as a long term commitment," Lysack said, referring to former Liberal prime minister Paul Martin's attempt at a national childcare program, whichfailedwhen he lost power in 2005.

She said she thinks provinces are ready to work with Ottawa to improve access, citingrecent moves towarduniversal childcare in Yukon and British Columbia.

Canadian families spend almost a quarter of their income on child care, one of the highest amounts in the world, according to a 2016 study by the OECD.

Lysack said the fractured system was at a breaking point alreadybefore the pandemic hit.

"It took a pandemic to show our already fragile system just can't survive this," Lysack said.

"If it's taken this moment where women have been driven out of the workforce in droves to actually get us to do it, I'm OKwith that."

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