Police officers are struggling with the deaths of five of their own. NPRs Rachel Martin talks with chaplain Gary Holden, founder of the Police Chaplain Program, about ministering to law enforcement.

RACHEL MARTIN, HOST: Many police departments have chaplains on staff or on call. They sometimes accompany police officers when they notify families of a death. They often work with young people in crisis. And yes, when something happens to one of their own, chaplains can provide a unique kind of support to police departments. Gary Holden is the founder of the Police Chaplain Program and joins us from his home in Vineland, N.J. Thanks so much for being with us this morning.

GARY HOLDEN: Thank you, Rachel. Great to be here.

MARTIN: Youve done this work for a while now. I understand youve been a police chaplain for about 15 years.

HOLDEN: Yes, correct.